Listen to the EntrePastors Podcast

Jon Sanders from Small Town Big Church and Pastor Les Hughes from Pastor's Leadership Network join to explore the meaning of entrepreneurship and how it relates to today's pastor. 

Join us each week to move past limiting beliefs and a broken way of doing ministry and discover how to use your passions and skills beyond the traditional pastoral and church setting to create additional income streams for your family while remaining faithful to God's calling and purpose for your life.


Once I embraced the truth that God wants us to steward everything for His glory, I started seeing Him use my skills and gifts in more ways besides pastoral ministry. The bonus there is that I also started seeing additional streams of income that only further my work for the Lord. – Pastor Les Hughes 



Small Town Big Church, Founder

EntrePastors, Co-Founder

Jon Sanders seeks to encourage pastors with the message that God delights in doing BIG things in small places. For many years, Jon served as the Lead Pastor of The RESCUE Church, a South Dakota based multi-site church with a huge vision to reach rural communities with the gospel. As a leading voice in the rural church arena, Jon spends his days coaching leaders and hosting the Small Town Big Church Podcast.

In addition to his passion for the rural church, Jon also works full-time as a professional firefighter/EMT. He is married to his wife Jessica, and they have three children: Justin, Jenni, and James.


Pastors' Leadership Network, Founder

EntrePastors, Co-Founder

Les Hughes is a pastor,  teacher, author, leadership coach to pastors and executives and host of the Pastors' Leadership Podcast, the Kingdom Boardroom Podcast and co-host with his wife, Page, for In the Meanwhile podcast. Les has served in pastoral ministry for twenty-nine years, with a four year stretch at Mississippi College as Chair of the Christian Studies and Philosophy Department.

Les currently serves as senior pastor at First Baptist Church Pleasant Grove in Birmingham, Alabama.

Les and his wife Page live in Alabaster, Alabama. They have four children and eight grandchildren.


Our current church model is broken. But by God's grace, we can change that. – Jon Sanders